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Subject:Interviewer poll
Time:08:10 pm
To all interviewers:

- how many candidates rate himself 7/10 on a skill listed in their resume?
- how many of them really are 7/10 (if you can so qualify it)?
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bluesmoon
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Time:2006-04-27 03:08 pm (UTC)
your < 5% didn't show up
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tariquesani
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Time:2006-04-27 03:09 pm (UTC)
he he and I made a mess here :D
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tariquesani
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Time:2006-04-27 03:08 pm (UTC)
100%
< 5%
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rohandsa
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Time:2006-04-27 03:30 pm (UTC)
In the first place, what is this out of 10 business.

Thank God TV manufacturers have started out with Decibels rather than their own out of 40,30,20 or 10 business.
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bluesmoon
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Time:2006-04-27 03:32 pm (UTC)
i didn't decide the out of 10 thing. all interview candidates create that scale.
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rohandsa
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Time:2006-04-27 04:13 pm (UTC)
Tell them it's very vague then... We already have quite a few 10 year old novices and 6 month old experts around.
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bluesmoon
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Time:2006-04-27 07:02 pm (UTC)
I don't need to. When someone says 7, I know that he has no idea what he's talking about... OTOH, I've had variations, with one guy rating himself 7.8/10.
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ex_ga_woo
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Time:2006-04-27 05:49 pm (UTC)
And here I'm thinking interview candidates must hate having to rate themselves.
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bluesmoon
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Time:2006-04-27 07:03 pm (UTC)
when I say rate yourself, I'd accept an answer like pretty good, novice, not too bad, can play with it a bit, etc.
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bhavanar
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Time:2006-04-27 07:43 pm (UTC)
While 7/10 is very ambiguous, someone saying he's 0/1/2/9/10 on 10 makes more sense. Scales can be so weird.
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bluesmoon
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Time:2006-04-27 07:52 pm (UTC)
that's why my question above asks how many say 7. When they say 7, it means that they do not know if they are good enough for the position we're interviewing, but they don't want to look bad.
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bhavanar
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Time:2006-04-27 07:57 pm (UTC)
Hmmmm. Well fair enough. Either you should tell them what 7 means. Or ask them what it means while interviewing.
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bluesmoon
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Time:2006-04-27 08:00 pm (UTC)
But I don't define the numbers. The candidates themselves come up with these numbers. I don't even ask for 1-10. I just say rate yourself. The units they choose says as much about them as the value.
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bhavanar
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Time:2006-04-27 08:06 pm (UTC)
Well nothing's wrong with the units. They can choose to say they're 367/1000 if they like. They obviously men something by it. People who are humble though good would probably rate themselves lower than others who had no clue of the skill and thought they knew enough. But I guess you're referring to the second category. Anyway, best is to ask them to elaborate what they mean. Or rather ask them - how would a 10/10 be different from them. Their answer could tell you how well they know their own skills and where they aspire to be.
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bhavanar
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Time:2006-04-27 08:07 pm (UTC)
s/men/mean
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erhgyx
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Time:2006-04-28 03:48 am (UTC)
i have been asked by some interviewer to rate myself in C/C++ on a scale of 10 and i asked him who/what 10 was...

i agree, in most cases i say, "i can make things work... novice.. worked on it a bit... etc"
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lawgon
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Time:2006-04-28 07:53 am (UTC)
why on earth do you ask a person to rate himself? Is it part of the list of questions you are supposed to ask? The job of an interviewer is to rate the candidate. Especialy a fresher - where does he have a scale or standard to compare himself with? In my opinion, it is a dumb question - and dumb questions usualy elicit dumb answers. Imagine asking a contestant in a beauty contest to rate herself - what is she going to say? You want to give the best impression of yourself, at the same time dont want to give the impression of being boastful - 7/10 is a reasonable compromise. Yes, if i was attending an interview and was asked a question like this, i could well say 7/10. Ask me something like - 'in your current job how many guys are better than you?'. This makes sense, if you *do* want a rating.
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bluesmoon
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Time:2006-04-28 09:16 am (UTC)
I don't ask freshers this question. I ask it of people with more than 6 years experience who I'm looking at for a very senior role.
The reason I ask is simple. Those who know a lot know that they don't know it all, those who think they know a lot think they know it all. One of the better answers I've received is, "I don't know it all, I just look at the documentation when I'm confused".
The question is completely non-technical.
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lawgon
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Time:2006-04-28 09:45 am (UTC)
has anyone ever said 'I know it all' - I have conducted hundreds of interviews and only once a person said he was a wizard (at hardware maintainance) - he wasnt
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jbritto
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Time:2006-04-28 07:48 pm (UTC)
Honestly, I think this is just a question to bully the interviewee. In my opinion it reflects badly on the interviewer who asks this question, and then smiles smugly at whatever answer is given.
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bluesmoon
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Time:2006-04-28 08:13 pm (UTC)
I disagree completely. it's a genuine question designed to determine if the interviewee is a bullshitter or not. One never asks these questions to freshers, one asks these of experienced people, often far more experienced than the interviewer himself.

Besides, hiring someone purely on technical ability is daft. There are various personality traits that could make hiring someone less productive for the team as a whole than not hiring him. I'd rather have interview questions that bring these traits to the fore than have them found out on the job.
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jbritto
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Time:2006-04-28 09:02 pm (UTC)
So if he says 7, he is a bullshitter?
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bluesmoon
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Time:2006-04-28 09:05 pm (UTC)
no, on the fence. the next question is the clincher, for example, a webdev with 7 years experience would know the difference between GET and POST. A 7/10 who confidently gives you the wrong answer doesn't.
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jbritto
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Time:2006-04-28 09:12 pm (UTC)
I just realized that you dont ask them to rate themselves on this 1-10 scale, they do it themselves. However I still think that in a 1 hour interview, there will be far better reasons to decide if somone knows his stuff or not.
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bluesmoon
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Time:2006-04-28 09:43 pm (UTC)
who said it was 1 hour?
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jbritto
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Time:2006-04-29 12:00 am (UTC)
btw can I add you to my friends list? so rohan is your cousin?
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bluesmoon
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Time:2006-04-29 12:57 am (UTC)
I have a cousin named Rohan.

About you adding me to your friends list, I think that's a decision you have to take. My permission isn't required. See how thomas adds women at random.
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devdasb
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Time:2006-04-29 10:28 am (UTC)
I rate myself somewhere at 2 or 3 for mail administration.
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lawgon
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Time:2006-04-30 09:54 am (UTC)
2 or 3 out of what? 1, I presume
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